"Black Weapon" -No Elemental Damage

Posted by Member Buzzell on 11/18/12 06:27 PM #1
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Can someone explain to me why this is the way to go? Does it have to do with the mob's resistances?
Posted by Member douvinsky on 11/18/12 06:34 PM #2
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There has been various threads on this

I suggest you first see the thread - "still confused" ~~ if you are talking about the same thing. (<- I am not sure here!)

Frankly, I think I understand the basic, but I don't think I am 100% certain that I know 100% of how it behaves in D3.
Posted by Member Khan on 11/18/12 06:45 PM #3
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It can give you massive damage boost. For example, the Triumverate on a perfect roll gives you 6/6/6 elemental damage for 18% added damage on a black weapon. Add a Tal Rasha's Allegiance and you can get another 6% damage. Add a Zunimassa's Trail and there's another 8% poison damage. Add a Storm Crow and thats another 8% lightning damage.

Use a black weapon with lifesteal, 100% crit damage, and open socket with the above and things start to look peachy.
Posted by Member Khan on 11/18/12 06:53 PM #4
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And according to this old posting, the full Tal Rasaha set actually adds ALL of its elemental damage to attacks for an extra 9% damage. Too bad the full set isn't that spectacular...
Posted by Member shniggies on 11/19/12 12:00 AM #5
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as @khan has mentioned, the elemental dmg is huge! and the reason you want a black weapon, is that the elemental dmg won't apply to something that already has +yyy to your current weapon

for instance, chant's wand always has fire dmg, so you can't add +6% poison to the fire dmg, just the "black" dmg which is lower than the total dps


http://i.imgur.com/AYZeG.png

if you look at the pic above, it says (437-947) Damage and (264-627) Fire Damage
to get you to the avg dmg of 1128.7

so to take advantage of all this additional elemental dmg to the fullest, you want the full range of dmg to just be "black" non elemental

such as!

http://i.imgur.com/XWtrk.png

so i'd be getting %6 fire %6 light %6 poison etc to the full dmg range of (687 -1194)

hopefully that makes sense
Posted by Member Buzzell on 11/19/12 05:26 PM #6
Posts: 296

Thank you alll.
This effects me much less than I thought. Thank jesus.
Posted by Member Stukthrtl on 11/20/12 07:04 AM #7
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@euggie - so you wanna sell that one.. right? :-D
Posted by Member shniggies on 11/20/12 03:47 PM #8
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Posted by Stukthrtl at 11/20/2012 07:04 AM

@euggie - so you wanna sell that one.. right? :-D


you mean the terrible vane? probably the best item i've ever had drop for me.... if only it had a socket! and IAS! and some INT! LOL
Posted by Member Stukthrtl on 11/20/12 04:20 PM #9
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Yea, that's a hell of a weapon even without the other stats!
Posted by Member shniggies on 11/20/12 05:16 PM #10
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oh and yea... its not for sale :D
Posted by Member Bort on 11/20/12 10:50 PM #11
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Terrible Vain will be terribly good at keeping you alive.
I also had a 1H monk wpn (only 900DPS) with 900 LOH and Lifesteal for a very long time. Its awesome.
Posted by Member douvinsky on 11/29/12 12:51 AM #12
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Woot, someone bidded 9m on my black weapon.

http://i.imgur.com/QqGv7.jpg

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Posted by Member Bort on 11/29/12 01:47 AM #13
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With the amount of Crit Dmg and lifeleach that is a very good off-hand, even with the low-ish total dps.
Posted by Member ecocd on 11/30/12 07:34 AM #14
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Does anyone know if it really adds that elemental damage? Frostburns add +% cold damage. If it now actually gets that elemental damage, then you get the cold damage slowing effect on a weapon without needing to go with the substantially lower cold damage mods. That could be huge for PvP. It's also useful for the Cull the Weak rune for DH's +15% damage.

Edit: On second thought, dropping AS, CC, CD, AR, Dex/Int/Str/Vit on gloves for chilling damage is probably very stupid even with a 15% damage bonus from Cull the Weak. Wow do Frostburns suck.

Edit2: SoJ, however, with +% elite, +% Hungering Arrow, + Discipline, +% cold could very well make up for the lost damage from normal ring affixes for a DH. Hmmmmm.
Posted by Member Khan on 11/30/12 08:19 AM #15
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@ecocd The cold damage was currently bugged as per this post.

I know I have my pair ready for PvP.

Regarding SOJ, I've got 4 of them but they're all wizard related. The DH specific ones could be interesting. Working hard to get my girl to 60 so I start experimenting with DH gear.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I don't like the loss of other stats just for 30% extra damage on frostburns.
Posted by Member Khan on 11/30/12 07:06 PM #16
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@ecocd If you want to test it out, I can scrounge up a pair of frostburns for you to test drive. They don't have Dex or other primary stats so its basically like fighting naked with a big gun. <insert penis jokes here>
Posted by Member douvinsky on 12/1/12 06:36 PM #17
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Posted by Khan at 11/30/2012 07:06 PM

@ecocd If you want to test it out, I can scrounge up a pair of frostburns for you to test drive. They don't have Dex or other primary stats so its basically like fighting naked with a big gun. <insert penis jokes here>


Does it create Frosties? From alien Wiki:

Frostie can creates a shade of ice in the ground around it, reducing friction to almost zero. If you splat a Frostie it will explode the packs with the cold-fluid and the water also will explode and create an explosion of frezing water vapour around a radius of 4 meters.
Posted by Member ninjax on 12/1/12 06:39 PM #18
Posts: 600

Just found this

http://i50.tinypic.com/16gixsh.png

Tempted to try it on my barb but sold my frostburns :(

Not sure what it's worth? Highest DPS item I've found..
Posted by Member douvinsky on 12/1/12 06:47 PM #19
Posts: 1445

@ninjax

Absence of primary and crit. I suspect it is still a vendor item but you should just cross check AH for similar item. Lots of cheap Skorns beat this rare in terms of DPS.
Posted by Member ninjax on 12/1/12 06:59 PM #20
Posts: 600

Ah i see, Skorn has no elemental damage so it's a goer as a "black" weapon

dang!
Posted by Member eastdragon42 on 12/3/12 04:42 AM #21
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Posted by Khan at 11/18/2012 06:45 PM

It can give you massive damage boost. For example, the Triumverate on a perfect roll gives you 6/6/6 elemental damage for 18% added damage on a black weapon.


It sounds like a Triumverate should give a massive damage boost if one is wielding a "black weapon", which would normally imply that such an offhand should be worth a lot of gold, no? However, I got a Triumverate on a drop last week (during that first MP6 uber organ run last Friday in fact, during which I got zero organs..) & was just doing a price check for Triumverates on the AH & the prices were literally all over the place. :-0 What gives? Or better yet, what makes one particular Triumverate valuable & the next one Fiery Brimstone material?
Posted by Member sabin on 12/3/12 06:29 AM #22
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From the game guide you can see that the only thing that has a lot of variance is the average damage, and the 1 random property. AP on crit is a desirable property - I'm not aware of any other particularly popular ones on here. The number of 5% or 6% rolls does affect the price as well.
Posted by Member Khan on 12/3/12 07:20 AM #23
Posts: 1195

Posted by eastdragon42 at 12/03/2012 04:42 AM


It sounds like a Triumverate should give a massive damage boost if one is wielding a "black weapon", which would normally imply that such an offhand should be worth a lot of gold, no? However, I got a Triumverate on a drop last week (during that first MP6 uber organ run last Friday in fact, during which I got zero organs..) & was just doing a price check for Triumverates on the AH & the prices were literally all over the place. :-0 What gives? Or better yet, what makes one particular Triumverate valuable & the next one Fiery Brimstone material?


They do give the best boost for black weapons and are the go to source for most archons. A "perfect" trium for archons looks like this: http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4057/screenshot004db.jpg

Triums will max damage at 405, elemental additions at 6% (666 is always the best!), 8.5% CC, and have one random magic. For the random, archons usually want high INT without APOC. If your CMing, then go for the APOC. However, CM with Trium is not as efficient as with a Chant's set because of the additional speed offered by a chant's source and the correlating bonuses if you get the wand also.

The 666 triums with damage in the 100-400 class are usually very pricey.
Posted by Member gnawol on 12/3/12 10:29 AM #24
Posts: 349

Would this be considered as a "decent" Black Weapon item? The thing is, i found it but thought it was kinda worthless, I've listed it for 100k openbid and its now up to a reasonable (close to) 40mil with 2h remaining

Is this something a wiz would be bidding on? I don't see it that useful at that high price for a barb


http://i.imgur.com/w7A6d.png
Posted by Member NightCrawler9 on 12/3/12 10:41 AM #25
Posts: 444

It's not that good for a wizard. It'd be a lot of dps, but the fact that it doesn't have any life steal makes it not usable in my opinion. I'm very surprised it's going for that much.

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