Posted by Member MrFox on 1/9/13 06:50 PM
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Core stats to get:
2.71 aps < x 40 cc < x 19apoc < x 550 ar < x 600 loh < x 3.5k armor unbuffed < x 35k hp < x items to get: Set A type of gearing: Storm crow - get something cheap with ar and apoc , cc isnt too important here - est cost 2m. Armor - get a cheap tal rasha chest- luxury stats will be ar-est cost 10m- 40m or cheaper Glove- get something with 80 int,80 vit , Ias at least 8% and 9 cc - est cost 8m- 32m belt - get a normal wh with int and ias 9 - est cost 7m pants - get a black thorn pants with ar - luxury stats int - est cost unknown 2-30m? boots- get a cheap boots with high int > 160, vit > 170 with 75 ar , there is no need for ms % here -est cost 1m-7m Rings- get something with at least 9 ias , 4.5 cc with either int or vit - est cost 500k- 7m Amulet- get something with at least 8 ias and 8.5 cc with either ar, vit or int - est cost 4m- 40m Weapon - get a chantodo's will with 1.75 aps and above ==> search for ias 7% - est cost unknown Off hand - get a chantodo's force with at least 9 cc- luxury will be apoc how ever with this set is covered by weapon and storm crow - 2m MAX Bracelet: get a cheap 8% ias int vit and life % lacuni prowlers - 500k - 4m Shoulder vile ward with int - luxury = life % and vit - 200k -4m Set B type of gearing: Mempo of twilight - get something cheap with int ar and at least 9 ias and socket- est cost 800k MAX Armor - get a cheap tal rasha chest- luxury stats will be ar-est cost 10m- 40m or cheaper Glove- get something with 80 int,80 vit , Ias at least 8% and 9 cc - est cost 8m- 32m belt - get a normal wh with int and ias 9 - est cost 7m pants - get a rare pants with int, at least 260 vit with 78 ar - sockets are a luxury - est cost 2m MAX boots- get a cheap boots with high int > 160, vit > 170 with 75 ar , there is no need for ms % here -est cost 1m-7m Rings- get something with at least 9 ias , 4.5 cc with either int or vit - est cost 500k- 7m Amulet- get something with at least 8 ias and 8.5 cc with either ar, vit or int - est cost 4m- 40m Weapon - get a chantodo' wills with at least 800 loh - est cost 3m MAX Off hand - get a chantodo's force with at least 9 cc and 9 apoc - est cost 20m and above... try to snipe one at 8m Bracelet: get a cheap 8% ias int vit and life % lacuni prowlers - 500k - 4m Shoulder vile ward with int - luxury = life % and vit - 200k -4m Skills set: diamond skin- crystal shell on 1 explosive blast-chain reaction or any dps skills with alot ticks that you like ie meteor liqufy on 2 slow time- stretch time on 3 energy armor- pinpoint barrier on 4 energy twister- wicked wind - mouse 1 Frost nova - cold snap- mouse 2 passive : critical mass evocation cold blooded or whatever you like In battle just hold on to mouse 1 on target monster, spam 1, 2 and mouse 2 for perma freeze and diamond skin , it is easier this way instead of 123 123 123 123 press 3 for stretch time whenever it runs out. Happy freezing =D game play example : solo elite freezing : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrDfsXe2yps -> part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAMTWvNv2OY -> part 2 |
CM Wiz guide for perm freeze build mp 10 viable =)
Posted by Member briangp on 1/10/13 03:06 PM
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Good little guide, but I think it would be good to emphasize that really only thing that is required for this build to work is 2.73 APS and 40% CC. The rest is just a luxury. You will not have high DPS with this build, but you'll be surprised to see how fast packs drop as your DPS greatly increases with more to proc from.
I started my character with some of the cheapest stuff I could find, and I sat at around 20k health and 3.05 aps. Seems like nothing, but when you are spamming crystal shell constantly, you wont really take any damage. Once you get to higher MPs, you'll find that desecrator hurts and eats your crystal shell quickly, so unless you have about 20 monsters within range to proc off of, you're gonna get eaten alive by desecrator. The extra life is really just a 'buffer' for in case you take damage. I will say though, if you fail to get your armor up in time, you will die in 1 hit with 20k life. Also, life on hit is not a big deal IMO. I think I have 118 LoH currently and its more than enough. I would gladly trade that LoH Chantodos in for a socketed Chantodos for higher DPS. On some forums I've seen it said to not push for 3 APS because of the cost... but 3 APS brings you up one more tick on wicked wind (google this) and because of that, my life on hit is recovered almost twice as fast IMO. I will also note that for arcane packs and even desecrator, I use Teleport with 'safe passage' run for 30% damage reduction. It helps for a couple seconds to fend off the desecrator dmg, and when you are in the middle of an arcane pack and you see the orb coming, just teleport over it real quick and continue attacking. No dmg taken. Just my .02c I just built mine about a week ago. |
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Posted by Member alyu314 on 1/10/13 03:22 PM
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maybe b/c I'm left handed, but I vastly prefer 123123123.
also, I noticed no mention of nat ring/boots (the ring comes with 8-9ias built in, and 7cc across both - at expense of so vit/int, but the dex helps a bit with dodge) http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alyu314-1697/hero/26042566 this is my cm wiz, and I match all the stat "requirements" mentioned in the beginning of this guide, but I can barely survive mp3 (then again, I dont use the armor in favor of mobility with teleport). lastly, how necessary is the 19apoc? I have that, but would like to swap my offhand to one with 5-6apoc and my storm crow to a mepho. is 15apoc enough? |
Posted by Member Khan on 1/10/13 03:46 PM
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Here's an old vid of 3 CM wizards and a barb from this site doing MP10 ubers. The perma-freeze is pronounced but what is extremely important is that all the CM's have enough DPS (over 100k) to assist in the actual battle. Having a CM that is there only to freeze may work on lower MP's but getting higher requires higher DPS. I agree that Nat's Ring and Boots combo is the best setup for any CM wizard.
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Posted by Member Ammostiel on 1/10/13 04:32 PM
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Minimum APS is 2.73 and minimum CC is more like 50%. Elitists will tell you the minimum APS is 3.01.
It's very preferential to use EA/Shocking than EA/Pinpoint. Pinpoint is a crutch and Shocking will increase EDPS dramatically. I did notice a difference between 15 and 19 APOC. The three crutch items are IAS Chant's wand, Inna's pants and Lacuni bracers. I'd rather have Inna's pants and 6CC yellow bracers than spend the money for a 6CC Lacuni and BT pants. I'm content with using crutch items because I hate playing this game at less than 24% move speed. Ideally you'd have a socketed wand, BT pants, yellow bracers, and 9IAS items in all other slots. Not 8, but 9. IAS Chant's wand is the most economical single piece of gear to get. Getting an APOC Chant's orb that doesn't suck will cost 9 digits. The last few times I looked, if I were to get an APOC Chant's orb I'd lose DPS to the one which I currently have no matter which one I saw available to purchase. LOH requirements increase as your DPS increases, particularly if you use EB. At least, this is the case currently until Reflect Damage gets adjusted. Low LOH is only justifiable in normal farming regardless. If you intend on doing MP10 ubers and camping in Ghom's farts, you will probably need 4 digit LOH. Now let's all brace for the changes which 107 will bring, and see if any of this is still viable once that lands. |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 05:28 PM
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1.07 may change everything ....... =\
To reach 100k dps with this , get cd up while retaining cc and ias ... but I really do not see a point in this, If they require you to have any dps, it means they need a carry as they are lacking in that area ...... With this you will be able to stand on descrator, arcane orbs , ghom poison and everything just fine in mp 10 in this build, 700 loh is really a must in order to stand face to face and tank uber ghom farts, descrator , reflect , arcane orb, the act 1 op tree poison and this increase over the dps you have base on your dps as mention by Ammostiel ..... APOC is really very important , your arcane power is really limited and you need it to be high to be able to spam as much ww and explosive blast as possible, with higher apoc comes easier game play ....... I have done 60k dps on uber mp 10 carry for like few 100 runs without a problem, I done it with people on my friend list usually carrying 2 person , and it is still a breeze as long as perm freeze is up, the game is a cake ..... people on my friendlist are usually mp 10 capable with only lowest 140k paper dps....... @Ammostiel To tank ghom fart - you do not need 4 digit loh ..... you just need the above mention stats and as mention as bare requirements ..... |
Posted by Member hdvision on 1/10/13 05:39 PM
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I personally have my 1,2,3,4 mapped to a,s,d,f (found it more comfortable probably due to that's the 'home row')
Got my frost nova on mouse 2 and explosive blast on 'd' (3). I hold down mouse 2 and d and mainly spam mouse 1 for tornadoes and f for crystal shell. |
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Posted by Member Khan on 1/10/13 05:53 PM
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Its not that they require it. I think its something a CM should require for him/herself. Getting into a fight with your friends with just minimum standards and not trying to add a little more damage (if a barb does 250k DPS and you only do 80k DPS, imagine how faster it will be if you had 100k DPS) just because you think its the other person's job to deal damage and not yours could be interpreted as a bit disingenuous. |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 06:10 PM
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I only deal 60k dps =X .... haha ...If you meant by speed yes this isnt build for speed or solo :X ... I usually think in team fight format, Dpser , disabler , buffer etc etc ....... In this case I am the disabler , :X haha most people I carry will be the buffers .... Dpser will be those with superb damage using the optimum damage multiplier skills for their class, ie for dh bola immenient doom, bait the trap, mark for death grim reaper, cluster arrow the bomb volley and echoing blast .......we usually take around average 45 min to clear all 3 portal and 5 nv with kw .... but if I have 100k dps, hell yeah definitely faster : D increasing dps will mean getting cd and it is really expensive to keep up with ias and cc ... you will need to be very rich for that ... For me perma freeze solo in a party is good enough for a cm wiz, I do not really encounter alot of cm wiz with high dps.... there are only 3 cm wiz in my friend list that can perma freeze solo ( no other cm wiz or stunner/ freezer assistance) in a team game on mp 10 that deal above 200k dps and their gears cost billions .....~_~ I wish I am rich like them , 1 of them uses the rmah and just credit card everything 1.07 may be his nightmare :X ..... @ hdvision It is damm painful to the hands playing cm wiz .... =\ Sometime I feel like my hands is gonna fall off lol ..... |
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Posted by Member briangp on 1/10/13 09:42 PM
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I was just going to say this same thing. I've been playing MP8 uber runs, no one seems to have the balls to do 10, idk why, but regardless Ghoms farts tickle a bit, but if I tele for the 30% DR then it doesn't bother me. And again, I only have like 100 LoH, doin just fine. He's a clip with 23k life on MP10. I think I had about 400 LoH at this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv2iGwwtPeU&feature=share&list=UUrIgKp7NjYabImrUw7VW9Ag |
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Posted by Member Khan on 1/10/13 09:53 PM
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You should check out the other CM's here doing MP10 like @Ammostiel @shniggies @sabin @NightCrawler9 who are pulling low to mid 100k's and doing perma freeze without being being billionaires. Its all about market timing baby. |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 10:05 PM
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In their profile, I cant really find their cm gear ~_~ .... if thats is their cm gear, then it cannot be perm freeze not enough aps ....... my definition of perm freeze = solo single target hit box, stopping it from doing any damage or moving with freeze ... Should be able to do the following without any trouble on mp 10 in scenerio of uber : 1) There should be no cloud from ghom except for 1st 2 cloud at start 2) There should been no fireball, celling fallings or bubble from zoltan 3) There should be no butterfly from magdha and no attacks at all from sk while no other cm or freeze/ stun assistance from anyone in the party ...........solo |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 10:07 PM
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100 loh @.@ ..... able to post a video of mp 10 ghom with that ? |
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Posted by Member briangp on 1/10/13 10:28 PM
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I don't have one, I can get one the next time I do it though. You're kinda contradicting yourself anyways because you just stated in your last post the only clouds you have to worry about from Ghom is the first one if he's permafrozen, which he is. You stack a few clouds and I'll feel it but I just tele around till I find a comfortable spot while he's still frozen. I dont understand why this seems so impossible to you. If you keep your targets permafrozen and crystal shell up, you'll never take a hit. This is why I believe the 3.0 APS pays off more than LoH |
Posted by Member NightCrawler9 on 1/10/13 10:47 PM
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I don't believe it is. As was said, you sacrifice too much other stats to make the crit chance worth it. Unless gold isn't a problem for you, then you're free to spend as much on a godly pair haha.
What?! Seriously...What? If you have barely any dps on high MP, I don't hcare who you are, the other people in your party will have to compensate for you doing diddlysquat. It'd be 3 people taking down a ubers with life the amount four would have. And thus it becomes more the other three people carrying you. Sure, you're freezing the ubers which makes it easier for the other people to do damage, but they have to do more damage themselves to compensate for you doing barely anything so you don't hit the enrage timer.
No, it does not cost a lot to add crit damage onto the set. Not even more than the 130 million you set for your build...
It's because LoH is important. Sure, you probably could get by with 100 of it, but if you have say 700, it makes you life so much easier and instead of dying in one hit to Magdha's butterflies and Skeleton King's strut, you have a bit of wiggle room to get away while taking some damage. It's sort of like being an Archon wizard. You do a [filtered] ton of damage, but because you kill everything in one hit doesn't mean you shouldn't care about all resists. You're going to get hit at some point, so you might as well make it as hard as possible for you enemies to kill you. |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 10:58 PM
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Bro, if you done them alot you should know there is no 100% that you could keep him permanently frozen before numerous cloud spawning in every game , I do not know why that in everygames there will always be idiot who will hit ghom and tank him while you freeze rakanoth who will move around and clear your team if you go for ghom ....... 100 loh is really hard ....... for me to perma freeze him, I to need to make sure I smash the buttons in a constant order and froze nova as soon as it is up and at times I have to admit I fail and I have to stand in the cloud of smoke ~_~ .... |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 11:04 PM
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I done it alot , no problem with the enrage timer ..... uber mp 10 me, 1 dpser, 2 people who provide the machine ... we do not res the dead .... the dead remain dead ..... with perm freeze come crazy skills that your team mate could get for dps like HOTA ..... Bait the trap, cluster arrow .... etc etc...with dpser using those amazing multiplier skills.... not a problem at all ...... |
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Posted by Member Khan on 1/10/13 11:18 PM
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A disagreement. It happens. A challenge to determine the current mathematical truth regarding this issue?
For glory!  As of this post, I have screenshotted the thread to ensure no edits and backtracking. |
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Posted by Member NightCrawler9 on 1/10/13 11:19 PM
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You're not understanding. Have barely any DPS will do nothing but hurt your teams overall ability. Sure you could have no problem doing the fights, but there's a difference between doing the fights and doing them efficiently. If you double your DPS then the other party members don't have to rely so much on the person doing the DPS. It's late here and my mind is sort of jumbled right now, so I'm just going to end with low dps (effective dps that is) is a hindrance on the entire party, I don't care what your role is in the game.
Also, would you please cut it out with the ellipses? It makes it hard to read your comments. At least for me. |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 11:23 PM
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Add me MrFox#6723 ... join me for a run or 2 : D ... I will be on later on ... please put something in the remarks so I know ~_~ haha .....
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Posted by Member Ammostiel on 1/10/13 11:26 PM
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I share my Nat's ring, Inna's pants, and Witching Hour belt amongst my 3 60's. For now, since I just got a new Ward and Hat, the ring and pants are on the wiz properly. 122K DPS, 39.9K life, 2.77APS, 56.5%CC, 625 LOH. 480+ AR. For ubers I use a standard ring over the hellfire which gives me similar stats (but a bit less, -1k DPS) and an additional 430 LOH. I also swap out the XP gem for a 21% life gem. Even then I still have to ensure that on MP10 Ghom farts that I have spinners on both him and other-guy or else I might get killed. I can't imagine doing MP10 ubers with less than 500 LOH.
I can't do that with my stats. They stutter. The gear you show in your profile now puts you at 2.94 APS (ie not 3.01) and 42% CC. I find it difficult to believe that you are able to meet this definition as well. |
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Posted by Member alyu314 on 1/10/13 11:28 PM
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to whomever can answer:
for some reason, I cannot get my cm wiz past mp3-5 (i tried 10 after reading this) how important is: pinpoint e-armor vs teleport stretch time vs time warp bone chill vs cold snap these were the only major differences I saw (unless someone can check my gear and tell me what is fail). as for playstyle, at every pack of monsters I hold left click and 123 it up, pressing 4 when the bubble goes down. I use tele if the mobs begin to separate from each other and to move from pack to pack. not really sure what Im doing wrong, unless there is a more optimal way of pressing the buttons? |
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Posted by Member MrFox on 1/10/13 11:45 PM
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you fall under Set A type of gearing catergory, change your chantodo's will to something with 1.75-1.78 IAS get something cheap without a socket... rest of gear pretty much is good. changing bone chill to cold snap will be much better and viable. nats set is nice ^_^ cheers. |
Posted by Member shniggies on 1/11/13 01:52 AM
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i switched to my CM gear so you can see... but here is a screenshot of my aps and dps
 actually the dps is probably not accurate because i have glass cannon on for archon... so 15% less |
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Posted by Member NightCrawler9 on 1/11/13 06:34 AM
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I'd like to add in that 2.73 APS is not necessary for CM to work. 2.73 is just want you should get if you want to maximize your effectiveness. I roll 2.31 i think APS, and according to your definition I can't permafreeze. While that's somewhat true, I find that I do the job well enough and I play with other people who are good enough where improving my attack speed further just isn't necessary for me. I'd rather spend my money of something else.
Plus, having such high attack speed makes the uber fights boring. I honestly really hate playing as my CM and rendering the ubers unable to move for the entire fight just makes the fight even more boring. I'd also like to say that 40% crit chance is also not necessary to make the build work. I've been running like 35% for the past while and again, I do just fine. I don't know how I got my crit chance to be under 40% because it used to be above it, but imagine my surprise when after hearing countless times from numerous people that you need at least 40% crit chance that my build actually still worked! Whadaya know! |