Set/Legendaries would be interesting. Just one question: Why are Inna's Radiance helms so cheap now (can get one for under 100k)?

Posted by Metta at 11/07/2012 04:49 PM

Set/Legendaries would be interesting. Just one question: Why are Inna's Radiance helms so cheap now (can get one for under 100k)?

I would hazard a guess that only the high vita/res/dex Radiance's are worth gobs of gold. The rest are just fodder really.

Well, they're still not bad. Minimum 5% CC, automatic socket, minimum 120 dex, automatic vitality, contributes to set bonus. If you compare the minimum prices for each Inna's item:

Inna's Vast Expanse: around 4-5 million
Inna's Temperance: around 4-5 million
Inna's Favor: 1-2 million
Inna's Radiance: saw one at 65k!

My only thought is maybe that because it's a spirit stone, only monks are going to be able to use them. Every single monk probably got one a long time ago so the demand is just not there. There's radiances going for next to nothing, and then perfect rolls priced at 100 M. It's still weird though why the other Inna's haven't dropped as much.

Speaking from a DH's perspective:
There's overlap between monks & DHs in terms of equipment sought, cause primary stat for both is dex. The DH's set, Natalya's, needs 4 pieces (out of 5) for its full bonus: helm, cloak, boots, ring, or crossbow, whereas the monk's set, Inna's, needs 4 out of 5 for its full bonus. However, DHs only gain a benefit from having two pieces of Inna's (for the +130 dex bonus), as the last two pieces of Inna's are monk specific bonuses.

Thus, a DH going for Natalya's usually can't afford to give up the helm slot, & thus the only pieces of Inna's left for their available slots is the pants & the belt. Thus, supply & demand: Both monks & DHs will be trying to buy Inna's pants & belts, but only monks will be going for the helm, meaning a much larger supply of helms for much lower demand, & thus cheaper prices.

At least that's my two cents on it, seeing as how that's exactly the setup I'm going for (4-pc Natalya's plus 2-pc Inna's). Still can't seem to buy a belt for cheap enough, though (don't have a million gold to spend, unfortunately)...

Edit: hahaha, just noticed that Metta said "because it's a spirit stone, only monks are going to be able to use them"... totally forgot about that part & that it wasn't a regular helm usable by all.. :-0 In any event, the only items that a DH would be competing for with a monk in the Inna's set is probably the belt & pants, *maybe* the chest armor...

Just realized I'm going off on Metta's tangent without actually commenting on the OP--apologies!

Regarding what to follow & what to track, obviously this mainly boils down to how much time one can devote to such a project. The more items the better, but if time is limited, then I imagine class set items are the most important thing to follow; if you've still got time to spare after that, then add in regular non-class-specific set items, followed by legendary items; and then start getting into the rares. Probably amulets/rings first, then other armor pieces, then weapons, & last, off-hands. Again, just my two cents. :)

I would personally suggest something as a State of the Market overall. Not just how specific data points are trending, but overall entirely. It may also be worth doing to track relative inflation: pick a few items (like Mempo) who are always going to have demand, and observe how for a specific stat value prices drop/fall. With time you'll see "mediocre" values drop in price, while truly excellent ones are going to continue to climb.

Some things I might find interesting are:

. Price variations by time of day (I suppose this could be examined by following items that are somewhat desireable but prevalent enough to have a large enough sample (maybe rings/amulets/gloves with certain levels of crit chance/crit damage/attack speed)).
. The quantity of set/legendary/other good items being put on the AH (not just the price) so we can see how people are trying to move certain types of items.
. Price variation by time of day on crafting items; by sampling every day this kind of data is missed. The auction house price tracker has problems tracking exquisite essence, for example, because the only numbers you can work with (without actually buying/selling) are a daily average and the last 10 trades; which is problematic because people will try to make a quick 10 small quantity trades at a low price to try to influence the suggested listing price of others, then buy a large quantity at lower than average price. Not sure if there's any way to get better data for this :)
. It could also be a place to indicate set/legendaries with desireable stats (such as stuff like skull grasps with int + wiz/WD skill, str + barb skill, dex + monk/DH skill) since neither the auction house price tracker or the "find similar" option in diablo 3 do this.

Anyway, I'm not sure if any of this is doable or easy these are just what came to mind :)

I think a good idea for sustainable market research would be build costs and returns of said build (broken down by build type) would be good to see.

As an example, you take a Critical Mass Wizard, price each piece (BIS or sets or whatever) according to current market prices via AH research and publish the overall cost. Then you demonstrate the XP/hour or monster kill/hour based on MP level this build can do. You then can do this for a Kiting Wizard and an Archon Wizard. That way, someone who is new to the game/class that wants to try a Wizard can see the cost and return involved.

The real add-value is that you will update these spec sheets based on patch notes.

"OMG! CM is getting nerfed!" or "OMG! Monster health will be increased by 800%!" and then you track the resulting costs of the class and its return factors to show if its still worth it to use the class.

Or maybe this is best for a "Resident Expert" member in each class?

Posted by Khan at 11/08/2012 08:26 AM

I think a good idea for sustainable market research would be build costs and returns of said build (broken down by build type) would be good to see.

I think this is a great idea.

To add to this, we could examine Diabloprogress and view top builds for paragon leveling, effective dps, effective health, etc... Is there a way to see how popular each build is? Like, what % of barbs are playing WW/Tornado?

Statistics I would like to see: usual summaries of mean, median, std. deviation, quartiles, and volume