well, looks like i bought a duped item...
what happens if they roll back servers? do i lose my item and my gold?

It is possible that is not duped. While the stats are the same, you may have just found one that has the same stats as another one. That being said, I could be full of shit.

They haven't deleted duped items before. I have 2 duped Radiant Square Emeralds and nothing has happened with those. I agree with Baldy that there's a good chance it's just a RNG item. Because of the static mods on many set items, there's a good chance multiples of the same items will drop. Even if it is duped, it could be one from the previous duping scheme.
Edit: I should note that I didn't do the duping. I just bought them when the Radiant Star gem market crashed for a night and I didn't know they were duped. I thought it was botters panic selling.

The RMAH has changed how Blizzard can handle server rollbacks. While the EULA clearly states Blizzard owns every electronic item generated and we're just "renting" them, so to speak, they would spark a firestorm and potential lawsuits. It would be impossible to get the paypal fees back from any sales in the RMAH which would mean Blizzard or the players would have to eat that cost. That ain't happening.

At worst, it becomes Account Bound and that seems extremely unlikely.

Don't worry @shniggies! For only 100 gold I will let you give me that naughty duped ring.

You give me 100 gold and I will take the ring. Sound fair?

I highly, highly doubt this is a dupe - most likely it is a "rollback" item. There have been so many of them floating around and we haven't heard yet of them "poofing", so I doubt that will happen.

That being said, that's a Zuni ring - and well, you know what we D3rmt people do with zuni rings.

WE FLIP EM.

Sell it on the RMAH and make some money on it.

Otherwise, if its for your WD personally I wouldn't worry in the least bit.

Isn't abusive account rollback a form of duping?

the reason i suspect its a dupe is because of the low price. This one is currently listed at 290m which is quite a deal in my opinion. I also thought the one at 300m was a deal (which i bought)

@ecocd

yes - it is a form of duping, but has been "allowed", for the lack of a better word, by not mandating the item be "account bound" like they mandate in the Asian server.

Personally, I highly, highly doubt you'll have a problem - as this has been going on since release and we really would have heard of enforcement already if that were to occur.

well pretty much confirmed this is a duped ring... 3 auctions right now for the exact same ring

because they were sold so cheap, i think ppl are buying them in hopes of flipping them

395m



468m



don't remember the b/o for this one.. but i think it was 600+

Well eff'ing A. If it's an in-game duping problem, it might explain why they haven't addressed the strange AH hiccups we've seen over the past week. Just too busy. If it's the restored-account duping problem I foresee the Asian Account Bound restriction in our collective futures.

AH maintenance announcement: http://www.d3rmt.com/blizz-tracker/thread/7788989154/

Hopefully it fixes the shoddyness that's been the AH for the past week or so as well!

There's also 8 trifecta Tals amulets, 4 of them are exactly the same and the other four are exactly the same.

I wonder if it's time to start watching for a crazy drop in Radiant Star gems again. I could sure use three Radiant Star Rubies at 6 million each.

Aside from the stats being the same how do you tell if something is duped? For example on the gems?

Posted by ClericID at 01/30/2013 12:27 PM

Aside from the stats being the same how do you tell if something is duped? For example on the gems?

I don't think you can tell for certain it's duped. Having two Legendaries roll with the same fantastic stats is conceivable. 3? Astronomically unlikely. 4? Impossible

Regarding the gems, it was only because they dropped in price rapidly and later came back up. I don't remember if I picked up my Emeralds for 6 million or 8 million, but I know I picked up a Radiant Star Topaz for 3 million and flipped it six hours later for 10 million.

It's certainly possible, however, that it was a case of either Chinese farming operations dropping flooding the market with thousands of radiant gems at once trying to liquidate all of their stock immediately (tipped off about a ban wave or something).

It could've also been auction bots gone completely haywire. I'm sure all of the bots have buy and sell logic on gems built in. For instance,
- Some bots that are set to buy any Radiant Star Topaz under 15 million Gold
- Those bots and other bots could have a sinking-ship failsafe built in to dump all Radiant Star Topazes if the price goes under 16 million; get out out of the market in a hurry if a true duping scam floods the market
--- The best way to sell a Gem or Mat in a hurry is to price it 5-10% below average price

So the scenario would be that a single Farmer innocently dumps 20 Radiant Star Topazes at 15 million onto the market just because he wants to liquidate his stock. The Buy Bots grab them immediately which drops the average price to 15 million. The Sell Bots see a sinking ship and dump a hundred Gems on the market for 14.5 million. The Buy Bots now buy those at 14.5 million. Sell Bots counter by dropping the price to 14 million. etc etc etc

By the time the bot owners notice what's happening, the price has already dropped to 4 million Gold. Everyone assumes there's a huge duping exploit when it was really just a huge electronic screw up.

This actually happened in the U.S. Stock market. A human trader input a typo into a Buy or Sell order which caused a spiral like I mentioned above. It took days for the NYSE to back out all the trades, because most of those trades became invalid due to some rules in place for that exact scenario. No such failsafes in the D3 AH.

... or people were duping. I think people were duping.

theres no way to tell except the prices will be super low

actually i bought 3 vit gems last night at 16m a pop

not sure if that was just a temporary price cut, or if the prices are going to steadily decline.

Posted by ClericID at 01/30/2013 12:27 PM

Aside from the stats being the same how do you tell if something is duped? For example on the gems?

For gems, anything above Flawless Square has to be crafted in game, whether manually (I tried it, it is a pain sitting for hours just to earn a few hundred Ks profit, see So I craft those gems and I made profits), or using a 3rd party add-on. The cost of Flawless Square and the tomes are variables, but the cost of combining gems is fix. Hence, you can actually calculate the total cost of crafting those gems, then price it such that after 15% AH cut you still make a profit. The profit expressed as % cost is usually very thin, since there are many crafters doing the same thing. The only way you can gain an edge over the other sellers, legally, is if you have obtained those Flawless Squares (& to a lesser extent, tomes) at much lower prices compared to others. You may also pick up for free those Flawless Squares and tomes for free, and you may then still make a profit by taking into account only the fix crafting fees and sell the cheapest on the AH, but arguably you would be better off selling those Flawless Squares and tomes instead.

Hence, if the price of gems is ridiculously low e.g. being 1/3 of the fix crafting fees, for an extended period of time, most likely they were duped since a logical person won't sell it at a huge loss, and the length of time signifying that it is not a unique exception in a time. At Asian server the radiant star was once 500k a pop. At US the radiant star was once 5m a pop (& I grabbed a few at that level). When the account rollback problem was so rampant, filling up stacks of radiant stars in all the slots in your stash and over all your character's bags, then hand it over to your other account/ friend, then asked for a roll back and you double the amount of radiant stars you have. Do this a few more times with your other accounts/ friends, and you double it up again. It just snowballed when more people are taking advantage of this in the same way.

That is so frikkin confusing to me.
I don't understand the need to do those things. I just love playing the game and the find.
So addicted to the sound and ray of golden light.

@douvinsky - that was an interesting article.

Posted by ClericID at 01/30/2013 09:42 PM

That is so frikkin confusing to me.

Well, on other games I don't get it. Here the RMAH is to blame.
If you have a full duped inventory of Radiant Star gems, and you sell them at 1/3 of the current market price, you are still making a boatload of real world cash.

I mean just taking a single character: (not stash, not multiple characters) you have 30 inventory slots.
100 gems per slot (since they stack) adds up to 3000 gems.

So even at 2$ each thats a heap of cash right there.


PS. I'm only explaining why its happening, and why it won't stop. Personally I like having the RMAH. The advantages it gives me in the game outweighs the duping problem.

Posted by Bort at 01/30/2013 09:56 PM

Posted by ClericID at 01/30/2013 09:42 PM

That is so frikkin confusing to me.

Well, on other games I don't get it. Here the RMAH is to blame.
If you have a full duped inventory of Radiant Star gems, and you sell them at 1/3 of the current market price, you are still making a boatload of real world cash.

I mean just taking a single character: (not stash, not multiple characters) you have 30 inventory slots.
100 gems per slot (since they stack) adds up to 3000 gems.

So even at 2$ each thats a heap of cash right there.


PS. I'm only explaining why its happening, and why it won't stop. Personally I like having the RMAH. The advantages it gives me in the game outweighs the duping problem.

True. I like the RMAH as well. But people will always take advantage of loopholes or plain out and out abuse a system.

So frustrating when you're playing the game legit and to enjoy it and others ruin it with that crap.

Posted by shniggies at 01/30/2013 02:33 PM

theres no way to tell except the prices will be super low

actually i bought 3 vit gems last night at 16m a pop

not sure if that was just a temporary price cut, or if the prices are going to steadily decline.

Damn. I was going to buy but left it till this morning and boom back up again to 20M.