Posted by DHAdmin at 11/08/2012 01:40 AM

@Bort, let's say Inna's Favor adds 8% to holy damage.

Your weapon does "black" 300-400 damage, Inna's Favor will add 8% to your weapon DPS
Your weapon does 300-400 holy damage, inna's favor adds nothing to the holy damage (elemental) component of your weapon's DPS.

Black just means non elemental weapon damage. Now if a skill says "Lighting Skills deal more damage" then they deal more damage. Otherwise it's modifying your weapons DPS.

Sorry to belabor the point, but I'm still confused. Didn't want to hi-jack the BIS thread for my silly question.

So lets take some real examples.

Both Skorn and Echoing Fury just have Min, Max and % Damage.
So according to what you are saying they are both good options to use with Inna's Favor to get the bonus damage.

Where I'm getting confused is with the following scenario.

I have Inna's Favor (8% Holy dmg)
In one hand I have Echoing Fury (no elemental dmg, so should get the 8% bonus)
But now what happens if I have Won Khim Lau in my other hand.
It has lightning damage, so it won't get bonus damage from Inna's Favor.
BUT it adds 5-6% lightning dmg.

So my question is... does Echoing Fury then get 8% holy AND 5% lightning damage?
Because once the one is applied then the weapon has elemental damage. So will it still get the other elemental damage, since technically the base weapon itself has no elemental damage.

Inna's Favor will add 8% to your total non-elemental damage. This would include min/max damage from jewelery, both weapons if dual wielding, or off hands of WZ/WD. If you're using a Won Khim Lau, you'll get both the holy and the lightning bonuses.

This might be more obvious if you look at the Triumverate, which gives 5-6% fire, lit, and arcane all at once. The particular elemental really doesn't matter unless you have one that is + to cold since that can actually chill mobs. Damage-wise they all simply add up.

Now to your question of the WKL's 6% lit damage applying to your second weapon when dual wielding - I think it will, considering how all the other "adds % to elemental damage" properties work, but I haven't personally tested this scenario.

If I'm understanding this correctly, the weapon affix will not benefit your other weapon.

I don't see where that blue post clarifies one way or another about dual wielding. Am I missing something? It seems strange that the same property would have a different effect whether it's on a weapon vs a ring/belt/etc.

"It doesn't benefit from "+X-Y Elemental Damage" affixes on weapons"

So from what I interpret her saying, she starts out with an number example, adds fire damage, and says rings, mojos, sources, etc, affect it but closes with saying that weapon elemental doesn't. I'm pretty much assuming via the shoddy logic and grammar in the response and the same on the actual item affix.

On the WKL, there is:

Property 1: "+(112-296)–(261-687) Lightning Damage"
Property 2: "Adds 5-6% to Lightning Damage"

Her wording of "+X-Y Elemental Damage" matches property 1. Bort asked about the 5-6% of property 2. I'm just saying that she didn't specify anything specifically about property 2 when dual wielding.


@Bort you mentioned that the WKL won't benefit from Inna's holy damage. Just to hopefully clarify a little more-

The Physical (234-422)–(547-981) Damage will benefit from both the +% to holy and +% to lit.
The +(112-296)–(261-687) Lightning Damage will not benefit from either of these.

WKL's bonus and Inna's bonus are additive. I verified this through a test and was able to match up DPS on my character and on the spreadsheet.

Basically, when you only use Inna's Favor, you get bonus 8% damage for all non-elemental damage. The algorithm is a little tricky (you alternate weapons when you attack), but you're going to take the fraction of your weapon DPS that is non-elemental, multiply it by 1.08, and then add the remaining elemental DPS to apply as your "final weapon DPS", which then undergoes all the other modifiers (primary, CC, CD, AS).

If you use both Inna's Favor and WKL, you're basically going to get 13% (or 14%) bonus damage for all non-elemental damage. The calculations remain the exact same for everything else.

Hope this helps.

Well, if the actual math is right in reality, I'm not going to go against that. Math is the only thing that counts as far as I'm concerned. "Don't trust, always verify" is what people in my business say.

Posted by Khan at 11/15/2012 02:35 PM

Well, if the actual math is right in reality, I'm not going to go against that. Math is the only thing that counts as far as I'm concerned. "Don't trust, always verify" is what people in my business say.

In the auditing world: "In God We Trust. The Rest We Audit".

Posted by douvinsky at 11/15/2012 04:52 PM

In the auditing world: "In God We Trust. The Rest We Audit".

Yeah, thats what the auditors and regulators say when they come by...

Posted by sabin at 11/15/2012 12:09 PM

The Physical (234-422)–(547-981) Damage will benefit from both the +% to holy and +% to lit.
The +(112-296)–(261-687) Lightning Damage will not benefit from either of these.

OH! Now I get it.

I thought it a weapon had elemental damage it got NO benefit from Inna at all.
But instead only the normal part gets a bonus, while elemental part doesn't.

Yep, the simplest way to think of it is how Metta put it. Just take the total non-elemental damage from all of your gear, and that gets the bonus.

Are you already clear on the "Lightning skills deal 15-25% more damage"? As opposed to everything else we've discussed, this is calculated based on what attack you're using. Fists of thunder will benefit as it is all lit damage, while wave of light wouldn't benefit at all since it's holy. Even though you have +5% to holy, all of your damage will actually be thunder if using FoT.

Yip, that one says "Lightning skills", so I figured it adds to all skills/abilities that specifically state it gives lightning damage.
I.e. FoT and tornadoes.

It was pretty much the other things we discussed that confused me. :)