Hey guys, so i have been grinding away when i can. I have saved up about 20mil gold. I want to know what the best way to spend it is. I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck.

What I would like to do is farm keys or just be able to play on something higher then MP0.

I don't care for what class i buy gear for i got a 60 in each except for barb hes only lv18.
I like to play wiz or wd the most. Is it possible to build a decent one for 20m.

I don't play enough to understand the market and whats worth what.

Any help is much appreciated.

heres my prof if it helps at all http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HoneyMonkey-1666/

You can easily farm MP2 in archon form with the following inexpensive upgrades:
1) Skorn with lifesteal that is INT heavy - 14 mil
2) Inna Pants cheapest you can find - 5 mil

The lack of lifesteal and movement speed is holding you back from archon farming. You have enough VIT. I would even say you can sacrifice 100 to 200 if you're upgrading pieces.

You may want to Google Moldran. He just put out a vid for a budget WW Barb (under 15mil if im not mistaken). I play all the classes as well. Right now, WW Barb is best for farming IMHO but you never know what blizz will do next. Using Khan's recomendations would also work, ive done quite well with my wizard listening to his wisdom.

You can build any class pretty well with 20 million. Barbarians could easily do MP5 with that amount. Wizards can farm MP1-2 comfortable with that amount while archoning and do much higher MP CMing. Witch Doctors have been said to be able to do MP5 with 8 million. Monks and Demon Hunters are possible, but more spendy for not as great of results (as far as I know for DH's.

If you want to go with Wizard I could help you in game sometime for stuff you should buy.

Thanks guys for the tips.

I'm kind of not liking the two hander anymore, @Khan. It be nice to shoot quicker.

@yoyo I shall have to look at that vid. That also means finish leveling my barb ugh no fun :(

@Nightcrawler i think i want to stick with the wiz, we will have to meet up in game sometime.

Posted by mantice at 11/16/2012 10:11 PM

Thanks guys for the tips.

I'm kind of not liking the two hander anymore, @Khan. It be nice to shoot quicker.

Yeah, I'm not fond of using a Skorn myself. However, going wand and source will be significantly more expensive to farm archon mode. If you go that route, try with either a black weapon and triumverate or a chant's set without APOC.

What's a black weapon?

Posted by zerokewl at 11/17/2012 10:18 AM

What's a black weapon?

A weapon without elemental damage.

Posted by zerokewl at 11/17/2012 10:18 AM

What's a black weapon?

Its a weapon with no elemental affixes. Here's an example:




Most weapons have lightning/fire/poison/arcane/etc damage. A black weapon won't have any.

So when i go to buy a 1h and a source what should i be looking for.

Chants has a million different affixes on it. To me they all look good.

If i go with a black weapon and tri what stats am i looking for.

I could also buy a little more gold if necessary not willing to really spend more then 10$ real money.

@mantice

My recommendations:

For CM/WW
Chant's set
- Life Steal (on wand)
- APOC 10 wand/10 source (or as close to it as possible)
- 1.63 attacks per second or higher on wand
- highest average dps you can afford on source
Black Weapon/Trium
- Life Steal (on weapon)
- 6/6/6 elemental damage on trium (or as close it as possible)
- highest average dps you can afford on source
- as much APOC as you can find on source and weapon

For Archon
- same as above except get crit damage/open socket on Chant's wand instead of life steal if you feel comfortable with using Magic Weapon Blood Magic
- another option is to buy a weapon with crti damage/open socket and lifesteal
- No APOC necessary on source/weapon

@mantice It helps to look at the items on the official site so you know what the ranges are for each prop, for example chant's source. Chant's items and trium each only have 1 random prop. Chant's can be very expensive with socket or life steal, but it's worth the cost if you have the gold. The wand is still pretty good if you can't afford these props.

Why does a wizard want a black weapon?

And well we are at it. Anyone have or direct me to a freeze build explaination?

The reason a wizard uses a black damage weapon and gear with a percentage of damage on it like a Triumvirate is, if I'm understanding correctly, the way that 6% to X damage works with those weapons is it pretty much adds 5-6% damage onto the DPS of the weapon. Triumvirates can get up to 16%, and using a Tals amulet, Zuni boots, and other similar items, it adds up. I don't know why elemental damage weapons don't do the same thing, but when I switched from my Chantodo's source to a black damage weapon my sheet DPS went down, but my damage went way up. Instead of seeing regular crits of 300-400K, I was seeing regular crits of 500-600K.

What do you mean by freeze build?

i believe he means the standard cm/ww build
if so, then the basic idea is to use critical mass (CM) to lower the cooldown to basically nothing
with every crit hit, it will lower your cool downs by 1 second, so the faster you are 'critting' then the more things will be frozen and diamond skin can be up

even with low dps, if your crit chance is high enough + APS, then you should be able to kill things without them ever moving (it just might take longer with lower dps)

the typical skills used for this build are
energy twister (wicked wind)
explosive blast (chain reaction)
frost nova (*can vary, i use cold snap)
diamond skin (*also varies, i use crystal shell)
utility1 (i use storm armor, shocking aspect, but I used to use force armor (prismatic) but it was nerfed, so i opted for higher dps)
utility2 (i sometimes use teleport, but lately i've been using slow time (stretch) for faster attack speed)

passive
cm (duh)
i use blur for reduce melee dmg
cold blooded but a lot of ppl use evocation for reduced cool down

So been checking the Ah on and off. Mainly been looking at Chants set.

Chants Wand - around 950dps 10 apoc and 3 life steal is priced from a few hundred k to 10m.

Chants Source - 10 apoc is expensive the highest i can afford would be 8.
As for average dmg on them i can go up to 150 with about 5 apoc.
Now i did see one with crap dmg but 8apoc 10crit 9atk speed and 7 crit bonus to arcane orb for 5m.
Another one i saw was 150avg dmg 7apoc 9crit 14bonus ap and with +9dmg to shock pulse. fro 16m

My thoughts: Should i buy a cheap chant wand with LS and 10apoc, get the 5m chant source. Then spend the rest on other gear. I could get inna s pants or witching hour.

Side Question: What is the best companion to bring along with me on CM:WW runs and on Archon runs.

But again thanks for all the advice guys its helps tremendously.

Ah, the dilemma that wizards face...

Get a chant's set that archon burn on MP3 for awesome farming which will cost me almost nothing since it has no APOC.
or
Get a chant's set that allows me to CM/freeze uber farm with my mates at MP7 and higher but cause me to lose all my gold.

Personally, I got the archon set first and farmed and farmed until I made enough for the CM set.
Although the top archon's use trium/black weapon, I'm illogically/emotionally attracted to the chant's set.

Coming from a non-English speaking background, I have to finally ask this question:

I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck.

What does this mean (or rather how it originates)? Bang bang bang?

@douvinsky Its basically an idiom that describes return on investment. If someone wants the most bang for their buck, it means they want the most X (replace X with whatever is needed) for their dollars. So in the sense of this thread, X=wand usability (damage, attack speed, LOH, etc).

@Khan I could guess what it mean, it just keep me wondering why "bang".

Bang to me:

1) Big Bang Theory
2) Bang Bang Bang = gun shooting
3) A complement to a pretty girl at the bar ~ "If you were a door I would bang you whole night"

I am going to look it up on the website.....

[edit: LOL I have looked it up in the web, and know the true origin. Without looking it up yourself, what would your answer be, 1), 2) or 3) has the closest resemblance to the true origin?]

@douvinsky I would imagine the true origin to be armament related such as to guns, munitions, etc.

@Khan

Bingo. Originally a political one, it does mean the most cost effective weaponry/ firepower.

@douvinsky darn i was hoping it was number 3.

Posted by Khan at 11/18/2012 08:23 AM

Personally, I got the archon set first and farmed and farmed until I made enough for the CM set.
Although the top archon's use trium/black weapon, I'm illogically/emotionally attracted to the chant's set.

this is where i currently am at... :/
all the chant sources i want are 100m+ which is not where I'm at :/

So guys i bought some things yesterday. How do you think i did? I Spent about 25m (maybe a lil more).

I bought Chants Set / Witching Hour / Inna Pants .
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/HoneyMonkey-1666/
Of course the profile hasnt updated yet however heres some of the stats i remember. (edit looks like it updated)
Chant wand 1k dmg, 10apoc, 2.7LS / Chant Source 100avg dmg , 8apoc, 9.5crit, 6arcane orb crit.
Belt and pants both had about 65-70 int .

My overall dmg went down to i think about 70k previously with skorn it was 117k (before upgrades). My attack speed is up so much i could care less about dmg i feel its more fun to play this way. I just jumped into a random mp5 to test things and i survived killed super slow but was happy i didn't die.

My game plan now is to farm as many keys as i can and then try for hell fire ring that i can throw on my barb to level him up to 60. Hopefully all this ties me over till Christmas and then ill set up a new goal. If anyone wants to help i would be more then happy to have someone to play with.

Side note : what should i upgrade next rings/ammy/helm ?