@NightCrawler9 Okay that clears it up, I also have no idea why its going for that ridiculous amount, its not even that great imo

It might be a wizard that believes the Blood Magic rune on Magic Weapon can add enough lifesteal (it won't!) to compensate. Unsure about the barb aspect of this. There are better things out there for 40 mil. Grats on the sale!

Posted by Khan at 12/03/2012 10:49 AM

It might be a wizard that believes the Blood Magic rune on Magic Weapon can add enough lifesteal (it won't!) to compensate. Unsure about the barb aspect of this. There are better things out there for 40 mil. Grats on the sale!

Does the life steal from blood magic work in Archon? I thought this had been bugged.

Yeah, it works, but relying on just the 1.5% just doesn't work haha.

@sabin Yup. Fixed in Patch 1.0.5 – v.1.0.5.12480. Link here..

"Magic Weapon
Skill Rune – Blood Magic
Blood Magic should now work with damage over time spells (such as Archon: Disintegrate, Ray of Frost, etc)"

i think its because of the inherent 99% cd plus open socket for a potential 199% CD

@gnawol Barbs get +10% crit chance wielding axes or maces. Add the two together and 200% CD on an Axe is the same as +20% dps so that 919 dps is really 1100 dps.

Take a quick glance at the Legendary axes and maces available and you'll recognize that only Echoing Fury can come close in terms of damage potential. For some Barbs the Fear on Echoing Fury is a negative. I imagine if you search the AH for a Strength Echoing Fury with 920 dps, 95% CD and a socket, you'll find them going for comparable value. Since Echoing Fury is usually highly sought for its + aps modifier, there's a price discrepancy for a weapon/shield Barb that only wants Echoing Fury for its raw damage potential.

If one is playing weapon/shield Barb, your axe is one of the best "affordable" dps Axes or Maces that can drop in the game. There's always a market for socketd, 90+% CD Axes and Maces even with moderate dps.

@Khan @NightCrawler9 thanks, good to know. I only recently started Archon farming. With (relatively low) 100k buffed DPS and ~500 Loh and ~800 regen I seem to do fine on MP2. Most reflect damage packs aren't a big problem.

@sabin You may be able to hit MP3.

Posted by Khan at 12/03/2012 12:52 PM

@sabin You may be able to hit MP3.

I haven't tried it out yet but I'm pretty sure I can. Extra health or hoarde reflect packs might become a problem, but if needed I can probably use blood magic, switch to my defensive ammy, or just cancel archon and freeze them.

I don't think MP3 is that great of an idea if you're only doing 100K buffed. I'm at 198K and I don't really like doing MP3 because rare packs take to long to kill. I think once I get up to the 230K more or so I can do MP3 comfortably.

@gnawol

My guess is 2 or more bidders wrongly put an extra 0 as their maximum bids, and an additional bidder wrongly read the +171 Strength as +171 Dexterity. -;]. Or, you get very lucky ..... the bidders happen to be rich but do not know how to get the best bang of their bucks!

Posted by Khan at 12/03/2012 07:20 AM

They do give the best boost for black weapons and are the go to source for most archons. A "perfect" trium for archons looks like this:

Triums will max damage at 405, elemental additions at 6% (666 is always the best!), 8.5% CC, and have one random magic. For the random, archons usually want high INT without APOC. If your CMing, then go for the APOC. However, CM with Trium is not as efficient as with a Chant's set because of the additional speed offered by a chant's source and the correlating bonuses if you get the wand also.

The 666 triums with damage in the 100-400 class are usually very pricey.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I guess I'll try putting them up on the AH w/ an open bid & see if I get any bites (I just picked up a second triumvirate last night while trying to kill Ubers w/ some friends). The second one I got has the nice 666, but I think the base damage is lower than the first one I found.

Posted by NightCrawler9 at 12/03/2012 10:41 AM

It's not that good for a wizard. It'd be a lot of dps, but the fact that it doesn't have any life steal makes it not usable in my opinion. I'm very surprised it's going for that much.

Yah, I would think this weapon would be good for a dual-wielding Barbarian cause of the Strength as opposed to a wizard, no? As for Life Steal, couldn't you just throw an amethyst into the socket to partially solve that problem w/ LoH instead? (Apologies if I'm talking nonsense--I don't play anything but DH, so unsure if it's worth sacrificing the extra DPS from a CD emerald to get LoH from an amethyst instead, or whether it's even preferable to have Life Steal over LoH in this case...)

@eastdragon42 Let me know what kinds of Triumvirates you have before putting them up on the auction house! I'm in the market for a new one possibly.

Posted by NightCrawler9 at 12/03/2012 04:31 PM

I don't think MP3 is that great of an idea if you're only doing 100K buffed. I'm at 198K and I don't really like doing MP3 because rare packs take to long to kill. I think once I get up to the 230K more or so I can do MP3 comfortably.

That will probably be the case if I try to do more efficient exp runs, but right now the runs aren't super fast anyway as I'm clearing entire zones (for uniques). My tempest rush monk is more than twice as fast, but doing hours of runs on low difficulty with no result can get boring, so I'm mixing it up with the wiz. I'm thinking MP3 might suit me better if I'm doing a quick run of 1-2 zones and the KW, while MP2 will be better when I'm doing 6+ zones.

Posted by NightCrawler9 at 12/03/2012 05:55 PM

@eastdragon42 Let me know what kinds of Triumvirates you have before putting them up on the auction house! I'm in the market for a new one possibly.

I'm at work now, but sure... will try to do some screenshots later & post 'em for ya... :)

Edit: @NightCrawler9: Here are the three Triumvirates that I picked up the other day:

Triumvirate #1
Triumvirate #2
Triumvirate #3

Actually, just looked at your profile, & I think the Triumvirate you currently have equipped is better than any of these...

Posted by gnawol at 12/03/2012 10:29 AM

Would this be considered as a "decent" Black Weapon item? The thing is, i found it but thought it was kinda worthless, I've listed it for 100k openbid and its now up to a reasonable (close to) 40mil with 2h remaining

Is this something a wiz would be bidding on? I don't see it that useful at that high price for a barb

It's got 99% CD and an open socket. With a high end emerald it'll add 199% CD with a decent strength boost. As offhand for a barb this is pretty sick.

@ecocd thanks for the heads up, that must've slipped my mind

The Axe sold for 55mil in the end, something certainly higher than the 100,000Gold i was expecting :-)

Gotta Love MP1!

Posted by eastdragon42 at 12/03/2012 08:53 PM

I'm at work now, but sure... will try to do some screenshots later & post 'em for ya... :)

Edit: @NightCrawler9: Here are the three Triumvirates that I picked up the other day:

Triumvirate #1
Triumvirate #2
Triumvirate #3

Actually, just looked at your profile, & I think the Triumvirate you currently have equipped is better than any of these...

Yeah, just wondering if by chance you have a better one. Thanks for linking them!

@eastdragon42 any of those better than my current one?

so question... does the 6% elemental get factored in when calculating your dps by d3? like when you compare the stats, it turns green for a + right... so if you had a 666 trim, would that extra dmg be calculated as well?

the reason i ask is because i have a trim that @khan graciously gave me, but i got a chant's force and even with my black weapon, the chant's gives me a dps boost... so wondering if i should keep using trim with black weapon, or just switch it for the chant's all the time

tia

I believe since the 1.0.5 patch, it now correctly reflects the damage change via green or red. Triiums are good but if you get a better average damage/dex/attack speed/crit chance Chant source, its stats will overshadow the trium. This is the reason why I don't use my Triums currently.

@gnawol I'm not surprised. Its a badass WW mainhand.

Posted by Khan at 12/04/2012 01:32 PM

I believe since the 1.0.5 patch, it now correctly reflects the damage change via green or red. Triiums are good but if you get a better average damage/dex/attack speed/crit chance Chant source, its stats will overshadow the trium. This is the reason why I don't use my Triums currently.

ahh icic.. thanks as always

Posted by Stukthrtl at 12/04/2012 10:37 AM

@eastdragon42 any of those better than my current one?

I honestly don't know, as I only play DH & know very little about wizards. Looking at your profile, though, you're not even using a Triumvirate--you're using Tal Rasha's Unwavering Glare...? The main problem is your current primary weapon (Slorak's Madness) has elemental damage (lightning) on it, meaning you cannot get the extra bonus damage from any of my Triumvirates. If you have another comparable "black weapon" in your stash, however, then it might possibly be a boost to your damage.

Perhaps another forum member who also plays Wizard could chime in & give some recommendations...?

btw, like the name of your wizard. Reminds me of the hit movie with Michael Jackson in it that came out in 1978 of the same name... :-)